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CONCERNS VOICED ABOUT KARZAI
Cables sent as Obama weighs deployment options

By Greg Jaffe, Scott Wilson and Karen DeYoung

Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, November 12, 2009



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The U.S. ambassador in Kabul sent two classified cables to Washington in the past week expressing deep concerns about sending more U.S. troops to Afghanistan until President Hamid Karzai's government demonstrates that it is willing to tackle the corruption and mismanagement that has fueled the Taliban's rise, senior U.S. officials said.

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Karl W. Eikenberry's memos, sent as President Obama enters the final stages of his deliberations over a new Afghanistan strategy, illustrated both the difficulty of the decision and the deepening divisions within the administration's national security team. After a top-level meeting on the issue Wednesday afternoon -- Obama's eighth since early last month -- the White House issued a statement that appeared to reflect Eikenberry's concerns.

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"The President believes that we need to make clear to the Afghan government that our commitment is not open-ended," the statement said. "After years of substantial investments by the American people, governance in Afghanistan must improve in a reasonable period of time."

 

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On the eve of his nine-day trip to Asia, Obama was given a series of options laid out by military planners with differing numbers of new U.S. deployments, ranging from 10,000 to 40,000 troops. None of the scenarios calls for scaling back the U.S. presence in Afghanistan or delaying the dispatch of additional troops.

 

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But Eikenberry's last-minute interventions have highlighted the nagging undercurrent of the policy discussion: the U.S. dependence on a partnership with a Karzai government whose incompetence and corruption is a universal concern within the administration. After months of political upheaval, in the wake of widespread fraud during the August presidential election, Karzai was installed last week for a second five-year term.

 

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In addition to placing the Karzai problem prominently on the table, the cables from Eikenberry, a retired three-star general who in 2006-2007 commanded U.S. troops in Afghanistan, have rankled his former colleagues in the Pentagon -- as well as Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, defense officials said. McChrystal, the top U.S. and NATO commander in Afghanistan, has stated that without the deployment of an additional tens of thousands of troops within the next year, the mission there "will likely result in failure."

 

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Eikenberry retired from the military in April as a senior general in NATO and was sworn in as ambassador the next day. His position as a former commander of U.S. forces in Afghanistan is likely to give added weight to his concerns about sending more troops and fan growing doubts about U.S. prospects in Afghanistan among an increasingly pessimistic public and polarized Congress.

 

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Although Eikenberry's extensive military experience and previous command in Afghanistan were the key reasons Obama chose him for the top diplomatic job there, the former general had been reluctant as ambassador to weigh in on military issues. Some officials who favor an increase in troops said they were surprised by the last-minute nature of his strongly worded cables.

 

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In these and other communications with Washington, Eikenberry has expressed deep reservations about Karzai's erratic behavior and corruption within his government, said U.S. officials familiar with the cables. Since Karzai was officially declared reelected last week, U.S. diplomats have seen little sign that the Afghan president plans to address the problems they have raised repeatedly with him.

 

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U.S. officials were particularly irritated by a interview this week in which a defiant Karzai said that the West has little interest in Afghanistan and that its troops are there only for self-serving reasons.

"The West is not here primarily for the sake of Afghanistan," Karzai told PBS's "The NewsHour With Jim Lehrer" program. "It is here to fight terrorism. The United States and its allies came to Afghanistan after September 11. Afghanistan was troubled like hell before that, too. Nobody bothered about us."

 

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Karzai expressed indifference when asked about the withdrawal of most of the hundreds of U.N. employees from Afghanistan after a bombing late last month in Kabul. The blast killed five foreign U.N. officials. "They may or may not return," he said. "I don't think Afghanistan will notice it."


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Eikenberry also has expressed frustration with the relative paucity of funds set aside for spending on development and reconstruction this year in Afghanistan, a country wrecked by three decades of war. Earlier this summer, he asked for $2.5 billion in nonmilitary spending for 2010, a 60 percent increase over what Obama had requested from Congress, but the request has languished even as the administration has debated spending billions of dollars on new troops.

 

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The ambassador also has worried that sending tens of thousands of additional American troops would increase the Afghan government's dependence on U.S. support at a time when its own security forces should be taking on more responsibility for fighting. Before serving as the commander of U.S. forces in Afghanistan, Eikenberry was in charge of the Afghan army training program.

 

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Each of the four options that were presented to Obama on Wednesday were accompanied by troop figures and the estimated annual costs of the additional deployments, roughly calculated as $1 billion per thousand troops. All would draw the United States deeper into the war at a time of economic hardship and rising fiscal concerns at home.

 

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Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton and Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates have backed a major increase in U.S. forces to drive the Taliban from populated areas and provide Afghan security forces and the government the space to snuff out corruption and undertake development projects. They have argued that only a large-scale counterinsurgency effort can produce a strong Afghan government capable of preventing the country from once again become an al-Qaeda haven.

 

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Those views have been balanced in internal deliberations by the hard skepticism of other Obama advisers, led by Vice President Biden. They have argued for a more narrow counterterrorism strategy that would not significantly expand the U.S. combat presence.

 

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The most ambitious option Obama received Wednesday calls for 40,000 additional U.S. troops, as outlined by McChrystal in his stark assessment of the war filed in late August.

Military planners put the additional annual cost of McChrystal's recommendation at $33 billion, although White House officials say the number is probably closer to $50 billion. The extra troops would allow U.S. forces to attempt to take back and hold several Taliban havens in the southern and eastern regions of Afghanistan.

 

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One compromise option put forward by the Pentagon, with the backing of Gates, would deploy an additional 30,000 to 35,000 U.S. troops -- fewer than McChrystal's optimal number to carry out his strategy -- and rely on NATO allies to make up the 5,000- to 10,000-troop difference. The third option, known by military planners as "the hybrid," would send 20,000 additional U.S. troops to shore up security in 10 to 12 major population areas. In the rest of the country, the military would adopt a counterterrorism strategy targeting forces allied with the Taliban and al-Qaeda, primarily in the north and east, with fighter jets, Predator drones and Special Operations troops that leave a light U.S. footprint on the ground. The military puts the annual cost of that option at $22 billion.

The most modest option calls for deploying an additional 10,000 to 15,000 troops. While under consideration at the White House, the proposal holds little merit for military planners because, after building bases to accommodate 10,000 or so additional soldiers and Marines, the marginal cost of adding troops beyond that figure would rise only slightly.

 

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B2 defeated A2

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  • And with Afghanistan there is so much we have forgotten. "There is no sense that we sought to crush and dominate this country throughout the 19th and early 20th centuries," says Dan Plesch, director of the Centre for International Studies and Diplomacy at the School of Oriental and African Studies. "We have no memory of that ? but the Afghans do."

    ..as does anyone who's ever watched Carry On Up the Khyber.

    On a more serious note: the public have been told so many conflicting explanations as to why 'we' are in Afghanistan, and that victory (or whatever) is just around the corner, then when faced with Karzai's theft of the election, and the likelihood that the soldiers will die because the Taliban keep attacking them, which is then used to continue their presence in the country in the first place, sparing the blushes of the government (and the opposition) becomes more important than either coming up with a political settlement that works or withdrawing altogether.

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  • I worry for the women and children if we leave.

    Well, Most Guarandistas wont worry at all.
    Never mind the fact that the Taliban are a Pashtun centered movement. If there was withdrawal it would be civil war again. North Vs. South. But i suspect even giving arms to the Northern ethnic groups to defend themselves against Pashtun dominance would count as "imperialism" in some peoples estimation. I just think that the West is learning about Pakistan what India has known for the last 60 years.

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We're Waiting, Mr. President

Obama Must Provide Better Leadership on Afghanistan

An Editorial by Claus Christian Malzahn

 

US President Barack Obama: Does Washington still believe in its war in Afghanistan?

 

Afghanistan and Pakistan are being shaken by attacks, and the Taliban is dictating the course of the war. US President Obama has been silent about the situation for far too long and European countries like Germany and France are correct to demand better American leadership on the issue of Afghanistan.

The most important piece of news from the most recent meeting of NATO defense ministers was that there was no news.

NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen pointed out the dangers of failure on the part of the Western military alliance in Afghanistan. The war effort is already underfunded to the tune of several hundred million euros. Nevertheless, the costs of defeat will be much higher than the costs of the mission, Rasmussen said at the NATO summit in Bratislava, Slovakia last week.


His warnings fell on deaf ears, with only Great Britain agreeing to a slight increase in troop strength. All other NATO defense ministers, including, of course, the German defense minister, remained politely aloof when it came time to make commitments.

For once, this hesitation cannot be attributed to widespread war fatigue in Europe. The mission in Afghanistan is seen as a toxic issue in all Western nations, and every government that has provided troops has come under sharp criticism at home. What the US's NATO allies now find far more irritating is US President Barack Obama's silence on the issue.

The world has been waiting for clear words from the White House for months. Obama has had government and military analysts studying the military and political situation in the embattled Hindu Kush region since early January. He appointed Richard Holbrooke, probably the US's most effective diplomat in crisis situations, to be his special envoy to the "AfPak" region, he has replaced generals and he has deployed more troops. The answers Obama asked his experts to provide after taking office have been sitting on his desk for a long time. But the conclusions vary. Obama will have to make his own decision, one that will shape his political fate.

According to Carl von Clausewitz, a country has only won a war when it has imposed its will on the enemy. But even without studying the writings of the Prussian military historian, which are required curriculum at military academies like the US Military Academy at West Point, the American generals know full well just how far they are from that goal in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Taliban Controls Military Initiative

Instead, Wednesday's attacks underscore that things have been progressing in the opposite direction for some time. The Taliban is in control of the military initiative, and it is increasingly dictating the course of the war. Whether Obama can even regain the political initiative in the Hindu Kush is now questionable. Although Afghan President Hamid Karzai agreed to a runoff election, after considerable pressure from the United States, the taint of massive election fraud remains, and it cannot be ruled out that the irregularities will be repeated the second time around.

This too explains the restraint in Bratislava. The European governments have always justified the Afghanistan mission at home with the argument that it would lead to democratization in the region. So far this concept has not panned out. Even if US troops are driving the Taliban out of individual provinces -- which they have only seriously attempted to do since this spring -- the Karzai government is either unwilling or unable to develop institutions and provide security in those provinces.

Under these circumstances, the US military can do little more than create a political vacuum. Clausewitz would be horrified, as are some US officers today. "I have doubts and reservations about our current strategy and planned future strategy," US Marine Corps Captain Matthew Hoh wrote recently. As part of Holbrooke's team, Hoh was responsible for coordinating civilian reconstruction in the dangerous Zabul Province, but he recently resigned. His resignation, he said, had less to do with the way the war is currently being fought. Instead, he said, he simply no longer knows "why and to what end" the war is being fought in Afghanistan.

Has the Obama Administration Lost Its Nerve?

It's alarming news when even former Marines like Hoh, men with combat experience in Iraq, can no longer believe in their mission because politicians cannot answer their questions. To borrow from Clausewitz: Who happens to be imposing his will on whom in Washington is critical for the future of Afghanistan. Is it the general public, which wants the White House and the Pentagon to deploy more troops? The Democratic Party, which wants less and less to do with the unpopular Afghanistan war? The vice-president, who prefers to fight the war against terrorism with drones instead of soldiers?

It is to Obama's credit that he has boldly called for an assessment of the situation in Afghanistan after a seven-year US presence there. Nevertheless, as Clausewitz wrote, "courage is not simply a counterweight to danger, to be used for neutralizing its effects: It is a quality on its own," and Obama's administration currently creates the impression that it has been abandoned by courage.

It is important that the Commander-in-Chief now provide clarity on the course of the effort. It's obvious that things cannot progress in the same way as they did under former President George W. Bush. At the end of his presidency, Bush no longer had a strategy in Afghanistan, and during a decisive phase in the mission he even shifted military resources from Afghanistan to the controversial Iraq War.

Whether it means withdrawal or a troop buildup, NATO expects Obama to make a decision. So far, no one knows which direction he favors. Even experienced Washington insiders have encountered a wall of silence at the White House, leading Europeans to question whether Washington even believes in its war anymore.

Europe Expects Leadership

What the US military wants is clear. General Stanley McChrystal, the US commander in Afghanistan, has called for up to 40,000 more troops. He too makes no mention of a speedy victory.

So far Obama has only made it clear that he doesn't intend to withdraw any troops and that he hasn't decided yet whether to add more soldiers. But this smells more like a lazy compromise than a clear statement of intent, and it has led to speculation in Washington that Obama could wash his hands of the matter by announcing a moderate troop buildup and newly packaged diplomatic initiatives.

But that is precisely not what US citizens want. Some believe that the war no longer makes sense, and they favor withdrawal. Others want to see the US finally tackle the effort with whatever it takes.

Obama's silence stands in contrast with the impassioned rhetoric that carried him into the White House. He risks squandering the biggest advantage of his term in office: the serious attempt to make an honest assessment of his predecessor's legacy. It also represented a great opportunity to restructure the Atlantic alliance. But why should countries like Germany and France believe the verbose promises of a president who is not even sending a clear message at home, even though he has a majority in both houses of Congress?

There is no doubt that hardly a day passes in Europe without criticism of US policy. This has become a trans-Atlantic ritual. But despite this ritual, Europeans are still looking for one thing from the White House: leadership.

We're waiting, Mr. President.

 

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By a narrow 47 percent to 43 percent, respondents say they support increasing the troop level in Afghanistan, which is a reversal from last month, when 51 percent opposed the increase and 44 percent supported it.

In addition, as Republicans criticize President Barack Obama for waiting to announce his troop decision — former Vice President Dick Cheney recently accused him of ¡Èdithering¡É — 58 percent of poll respondents say they support delaying a decision until after Afghanistan¡Çs Nov. 7 runoff election and after the country¡Çs political situation becomes clearer.

¡ÈI am optimistic that he and his generals are taking some time to actually think through this,¡É said Andrew Maxwell of Los Angeles.

Yet the public is divided on what Obama and his generals should ultimately decide. Fifty-five percent say they would accept sending an additional 10,000 troops and training Afghanistan¡Çs army and police; 46 percent favor not sending any more troops and focusing instead on attacking specific al-Qaida camps on the Afghanistan-Pakistan border; and 45 percent support withdrawing all U.S. troops from the country.

Just 43 percent support sending 40,000 more troops to Afghanistan — which is the recommendation of the top U.S. commander there, Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal.

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    • Go on with ¡Èwars against terrorists¡É for another three years or four, and have America put into a disaster financhially and have more young Americans killed, or find a way to live together with Talibans who are controlling 70 % of Afgans and have America stop wasting money and lives.

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    • Obama claimed credit for a plan that wasn¡Çt his in Mar., very little has changed in Afghanistan but the political winds have sure shifted here, now he claims to be waiting for the elections, ours I¡Çm sure but while he has his finger to the wind our troops are dying. Unless we hand pick a ruler in Afghanistan we are going to have to deal with whoever and I am quite sure that Obama was given detailed reports on every scenario that could possibly play out before he even took office so this is nothing more than politics and it stinks. No wonder he is dropping like a rock in the polls.

    • Obama cannot make up his mind, a very bad quality in a president, if you can call him that. His incompetence and inexperience is showing and its not pretty.
      Yo, Mr. Pres., either pi@@@ or get off the pot.

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